WoW Forever Subtlety Rogue Guide
DamageMelee
Damage
Melee3 new, 1 renamed or reworked, 10 changed and 2 removed talents since Classic; the 31-point talent is new: Death Mark.
Gives you a 15% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
Gives you a 45% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 1 level higher.
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 3 levels higher.
3/3
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 4%.
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 20%.
2/5
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 10, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 5% and reduces its cooldown by 2 sec.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 6 sec.
1/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 15%.
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 45%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.
2/2
Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
3/3
Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
1/1
Causes your attacks to ignore 3% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%.
Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.
3/3
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 45 sec.
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 90 sec.
2/2
A strike that deals 125% (180% if a Dagger is equipped in your Main Hand) weapon damage, increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec, and causes your next Ambush or Garrote cast within 7 sec to not require Stealth. Awards 1 combo point.
Increases the maximum number of targets you may have Sapped by 1, and increases your movement speed by 15% for 3 sec after Sapping a target.
Increases the maximum number of targets you may have Sapped by 1, and increases your movement speed by 30% for 3 sec after Sapping a target.
Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 1 level higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 2%.
Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 3 levels higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 4%.
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities.
An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture and Garrote damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.
1/1
Grants your Shank ability a 20% chance to add 2 Combo Points to the target.
Grants your Shank ability a 100% chance to add 2 Combo Points to the target.
Finishing move that marks the target, storing a portion of the damage dealt by your attacks per Combo Point. Garrote and Rupture damage is stored at twice the rate. After 6 sec, the stored damage is dealt, up to a maximum increased by Attack Power and Critical Strike chance: 1 point: 12% stored, 165 damage cap; 2 points: 24% stored, 267 damage cap; 3 points: 36% stored, 369 damage cap; 4 points: 48% stored, 471 damage cap; 5 points: 60% stored, 573 damage cap. level 60 reference
“Subtlety Rogue” means most of your 51 talent points go into Subtlety. Forever keeps Classic’s three open trees, so you can mix them.
Archived community build
Subtlety
Subtlety 21
Talents it takes
- SetupSetupSubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 3
Gives you a 15% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
Gives you a 45% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
3/3 - Master of DeceptionMaster of DeceptionSubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 1 level higher.
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 3 levels higher.
3/3 - OpportunityOpportunitySubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 5
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 4%.
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 20%.
2/5 - CamouflageCamouflageSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 3
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 5% and reduces its cooldown by 2 sec.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 6 sec.
1/3 - Dirty TricksDirty TricksSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 2Reworked from Improved Sap
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.
2/2 - InitiativeInitiativeSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 3
Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
3/3 - PremeditationPremeditationSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 1
Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
1/1 - Serrated BladesSerrated BladesSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 3
Causes your attacks to ignore 3% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%.
Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.
3/3 - ElusivenessElusivenessSubtlety · tier 4 · max rank 2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 45 sec.
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 90 sec.
2/2 - HemorrhageHemorrhageSubtlety · tier 5 · max rank 1
An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture and Garrote damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.
1/1
All 21 points in Subtlety, down to Hemorrhage. It is built to open from Stealth: Master of Deception, Opportunity for 10% more Backstab, Garrote and Ambush damage, Initiative for an extra combo point from openers, and Premeditation for two more. Serrated Blades ignores part of the target’s armor and strengthens Rupture; Setup and Elusiveness are the defensive picks. Dirty Tricks, the reworked Improved Sap, halves the Energy cost of Sap and Blind, and one point goes to Camouflage.
Posted by warstry on Wowhead, .
31-point talent · level 40
Death MarkFinishing move that marks the target, storing a portion of the damage dealt by your attacks per Combo Point. Garrote and Rupture damage is stored at twice the rate. After 6 sec, the stored damage is dealt, up to a maximum increased by Attack Power and Critical Strike chance: 1 point: 12% stored, 165 damage cap; 2 points: 24% stored, 267 damage cap; 3 points: 36% stored, 369 damage cap; 4 points: 48% stored, 471 damage cap; 5 points: 60% stored, 573 damage cap. level 60 reference
Key abilities
- Stealth1
- BackstabRank 1 · level 4Cost 60 EnergyCast time instant
Backstab the target, causing 150% weapon damage plus 10 to the target. Must be behind the target. Requires a dagger in the main hand. Awards 1 combo point.
4 - SapRank 1 · level 10Cost 65 EnergyCast time instant
Incapacitates the target for up to 25 sec. Only works on Humanoids that are not in combat. Any damage taken will break the effect. Only 1 target may be sapped at a time. Does not break Stealth.
10 - Ambush18
- Vanish22
Historical beta examples, checked for valid points against the current tree. They have not been revalidated as live leveling or endgame recommendations.
Leveling a Subtlety Rogue: 1 to 60
When each tier opens with every point in Subtlety, when the build takes its talents, when the trainer teaches the key abilities, the best weapon to pick up every few levels, and what the world opens at each level: camping, the new dungeons, Dual Specialization and the raids.
Subtlety Rogue: what each level brings
Drag the level: trainer ranks, the talent point, the best gear, mounts and dungeons of that level, for the race and professions picked above.
That is not a Rogue link from the talent calculator.
A character has two professions: drop one before picking another.
- Wound Poison
- Razorfen Downs
- BlindBlinding Powder
Trainer at level 30
Coming up
Talent points
21 of 51 points to spend
Following Subtlety by warstry, Wowhead (posted for level 30).
The source gives this build without a pick order, so none is made up here. By level 30 it holds:
Open this build in the WoW Forever Talent Calculator
Next tier of Subtlety opens at level 35 with every point in the tree.
Best gear at level 30
- Swinetusk ShankWeapon · from level 30
- Brawler's Leather HelmHead · from level 25
- Stygian Bone AmuletNeck · from level 29
- Cloudy Gustwoven SpauldersShoulder · from level 30
- Cape of the BrotherhoodBack · from level 20
- Brawler's Leather TunicChest · from level 22
- Loamflake BracersWrist · from level 25
- Braced HandguardsHands · from level 30
- Skulker's Leather BeltWaist · from level 30
- Brawler's Leather LegguardsLegs · from level 25
- Warsong BootsFeet · from level 24
- Monkey RingFinger · from level 27
Top pick per slot by the BiS list's default weights for this path.
Subtlety Rogue BiS list at level 30 · WoW Forever Rogue weapons by level
World at level 30
Dungeons in your range
Racials
Pick a race above to see its racials.
Camp objects of your professions
Pick up to 2 professions above.
Trainer levels: current Forever client, build 1.60.1.70888. Gear: the BiS list's weights and the weapon planner's upgrade path, with quests, dungeons, vendors and crafted items only. Training costs and the level a profession tier opens at are not in the client data, so neither is shown.
Levels 1–9
- 1Will to SurviveWill to SurviveHuman
Instantly removes all Stun effects; 3 min cooldown
PerceptionPerceptionHumanGreatly improved stealth detection for 20 sec; 3 min cooldown
RuthlessRuthlessHuman+1% critical strike chance with all spells and attacks
The Human SpiritThe Human SpiritHuman+10% Spirit
StoneformStoneformDwarfRemoves and grants immunity to Bleed, Poison and Disease effects, and reduces Physical damage taken by 10%, for 8 sec; 3 min cooldown
Find TreasureFind TreasureDwarfShows nearby treasure on the minimap and can stay active alongside other tracking abilities
Artisan's PrecisionArtisan's PrecisionDwarf+1% hit chance with spells and attacks
Big Game HunterBig Game HunterDwarf+5% damage against Beasts
Elune's LightElune's LightNight Elf+10% critical strike chance with all spells and attacks for 15 sec; 3 min cooldown
ShadowmeldShadowmeldNight ElfStealth until you move or cancel it; used in combat, it discourages enemies from attacking you and the cooldown rises from 10 sec to 2 min
QuicknessQuicknessNight Elf+1% Dodge and +2% movement speed; Night Elf Rogues and Druids are harder to detect in Stealth, as if 1 level higher
Wisp SpiritWisp SpiritNight Elf+75% movement speed as a wisp after death
Eureka!Eureka!GnomeFor 8 sec, your non-periodic damaging abilities (Priests: damaging or healing) cost 10% less Mana, Rage or Energy and deal or heal 10% more; 2 min cooldown
Expansive MindExpansive MindGnome+5% maximum Mana, Rage or Energy
Engineering SpecializationEngineering SpecializationGnomeEngineering devices fail or backfire 20% less often
Escape ArtistEscape ArtistGnomeRemoves all movement-impairing effects and grants immunity to them for 3 sec; 2 min cooldown
Walk on AirWalk on AirSkyborne (High Order)Glide down through the air for 10 sec, steering as you go; 90 sec cooldown (2 min until October 15)
Wind BlessedWind BlessedSkyborne (High Order)+2% spell, melee and ranged Haste (3% from October 15 until October 26; 1% before that)
Elemental InsightElemental InsightSkyborne (High Order)+5% damage against Elementals
Read LeylineRead LeylineSkyborne (High Order)+50% Health and Mana regeneration for 15 sec; 2 min cooldown; cannot be used while Innervate is active (Innervate replaces it as the stronger effect). Using it at a Ley Line also grants Attuned for 1 hour: while Attuned the bonus is +100%, and Attuned persists through death and is removed when you enter a raid. Could be cast while moving since October 15; until October 26 it was +100% for 15 min at a leyline or 30 sec elsewhere
Blood FuryBlood FuryOrc+10% Attack Power and Spell Power for 15 sec; 2 min cooldown
Shatter CurseShatter CurseOrcRemoves all Curses and Banes, and reduces magic damage taken by 5% for 8 sec; 3 min cooldown
CommandCommandOrc+5% damage for Hunter pets and Warlock demons
HardinessHardinessOrcStuns on you last 20% shorter
Will of the ForsakenWill of the ForsakenUndeadInstantly removes Charm, Fear and Sleep effects; 2 min cooldown
CannibalizeCannibalizeUndeadEat a nearby Humanoid or Undead corpse: 7% of your Health and Mana every 2 sec for 10 sec, 35% in all; 2 min cooldown
Touch of the GraveTouch of the GraveUndeadSpells and attacks have a 20% chance (Priests, Mages and Warlocks: 30%) to drain Health with Touch of the Dead, up to 5% of your maximum; 15 sec internal cooldown
Underwater BreathingUnderwater BreathingUndeadHold your breath 300% longer
BerserkingBerserkingTroll+10% attack and casting speed for 15 sec; 3 min cooldown
Rapid RegenerationRapid RegenerationTrollRestore 50% of your maximum Health over 6 sec; moving, acting or taking damage cancels it; 3 min cooldown
RegenerationRegenerationTroll+20% Health regeneration; 20% of it continues in combat
Beast SlayingBeast SlayingTroll+5% damage against Beasts
Walk on AirWalk on AirSkyborne (Windshaper)Glide down through the air for 10 sec, steering as you go; 90 sec cooldown (2 min until October 15)
Wind BlessedWind BlessedSkyborne (Windshaper)+2% spell, melee and ranged Haste (3% from October 15 until October 26; 1% before that)
Elemental InsightElemental InsightSkyborne (Windshaper)+5% damage against Elementals
SkysightSkysightSkyborne (Windshaper)+15% movement speed for 15 sec; 2 min cooldown. Using it at an elemental convergence also grants Charged for 1 hour: while Charged the bonus is +30% movement speed, and Charged persists through death and is removed when you enter a raid. Could be cast while moving since October 15; until October 26 it was +10% movement and mounted speed for 15 min at a convergence or 30 sec elsewhere
StealthStealth - 4BackstabBackstabRank 1 · level 4Cost 60 EnergyCast time instant
Backstab the target, causing 150% weapon damage plus 10 to the target. Must be behind the target. Requires a dagger in the main hand. Awards 1 combo point.
Flutterfly SwatterFlutterfly SwatterItem Level 9Binds when picked upOne-HandMace6 - 13 DamageSpeed 2.00(4.8 damage per second)Flutterfly SwatterThe client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
Flutterfly SwatterItem Level 9Binds when picked upOne-HandMace6 - 13 DamageSpeed 2.00(4.8 damage per second)Flutterfly SwatterThe client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
Flutterfly SwatterItem Level 9Binds when picked upOne-HandMace6 - 13 DamageSpeed 2.00(4.8 damage per second)First camp questFirst camp quest: Sam Sarsaparilla, Elwynn Forest (44.8, 63.2)First camp quest: Eric Brighthammer, Dun Morogh (46.6, 53.8)First camp quest: Lyreena Duskblade, Teldrassil (57.4, 56.6)First camp quest: Eric Brighthammer, Dun Morogh (46.6, 53.8)First camp quest: Raan Wildwind, Zephras Isle (41.6, 44.8)First camp quest: Brakk, Durotar (52.0, 47.2)First camp quest: Eleanor Shackleton, Tirisfal Glades (57.2, 55.4)First camp quest: Brakk, Durotar (52.0, 47.2)First camp quest: Raan Wildwind, Zephras Isle (41.6, 44.8)Mana WellAlchemy 20Sharpening WheelBlacksmithing 20Enchanted LuteEnchanting 20Reagent BotEngineering 20Incense CandleHerbalism 20Camp TentLeatherworking 20LodestoneMining 20Camp ChairSkinning 20Faction BannerTailoring 20Basic CampfireCooking 1First Aid KitFirst Aid 20Fish BowlFishing 20The client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
- 8Compact HammerCompact HammerItem Level 13Binds when picked upMain HandMace11 - 21 DamageSpeed 2.30(7.0 damage per second)+1 StaminaCompact Hammer
The client gives no required level: this is the level its quest can be taken at.
Compact HammerItem Level 13Binds when picked upMain HandMace11 - 21 DamageSpeed 2.30(7.0 damage per second)+1 StaminaSkullthumperThe client gives no required level: this is the level its quest can be taken at.
SkullthumperItem Level 13Binds when picked upMain HandMace12 - 23 DamageSpeed 2.50(7.0 damage per second)The client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
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Levels 10–19
- 10First talent pointSetupSetupSubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 3
Gives you a 15% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
Gives you a 45% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
SapSapRank 1 · level 10Cost 65 EnergyCast time instantIncapacitates the target for up to 25 sec. Only works on Humanoids that are not in combat. Any damage taken will break the effect. Only 1 target may be sapped at a time. Does not break Stealth.
- 12Invader's MaceInvader's MaceItem Level 17Binds when picked upOne-HandMace14 - 27 DamageSpeed 2.40(8.5 damage per second)+2 Strength+1 SpiritInvader's Mace
The client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
Invader's MaceItem Level 17Binds when picked upOne-HandMace14 - 27 DamageSpeed 2.40(8.5 damage per second)+2 Strength+1 SpiritInvader's MaceThe client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
Invader's MaceItem Level 17Binds when picked upOne-HandMace14 - 27 DamageSpeed 2.40(8.5 damage per second)+2 Strength+1 SpiritThe client gives no required level: placed at its item level minus 5, like most Classic weapons.
- 13Master of DeceptionMaster of DeceptionSubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 1 level higher.
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 3 levels higher.
Dungeon: Hall of Thanes - 14
- 15Tier 2 opensDungeon: Ruins of Lordaeron
- 16OpportunityOpportunitySubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 5
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 4%.
Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 20%.
Brass KnucklesBrass KnucklesBrass KnucklesItem Level 21Binds when equippedOne-HandFist Weapon17 - 33 DamageSpeed 2.40(10.4 damage per second)+2 Agility+2 StaminaRequires Level 16Brass KnucklesBrass KnucklesItem Level 21Binds when equippedOne-HandFist Weapon17 - 33 DamageSpeed 2.40(10.4 damage per second)+2 Agility+2 StaminaRequires Level 16Brass KnucklesItem Level 21Binds when equippedOne-HandFist Weapon17 - 33 DamageSpeed 2.40(10.4 damage per second)+2 Agility+2 StaminaRequires Level 16 - 18CamouflageCamouflageSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 3
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 5% and reduces its cooldown by 2 sec.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 6 sec.
AmbushAmbush - 19Dirty TricksDirty TricksSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 2Reworked from Improved Sap
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.
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Levels 20–29
- 20Tier 3 opensButcher's CleaverButcher's CleaverItem Level 25Binds when picked upOne-HandAxe23 - 32 DamageSpeed 1.70(16.2 damage per second)+5 Strength+2 AgilityRequires Level 20Butcher's Cleaver
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Butcher's CleaverItem Level 25Binds when picked upOne-HandAxe23 - 32 DamageSpeed 1.70(16.2 damage per second)+5 Strength+2 AgilityRequires Level 20Butcher's CleaverThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Butcher's CleaverItem Level 25Binds when picked upOne-HandAxe23 - 32 DamageSpeed 1.70(16.2 damage per second)+5 Strength+2 AgilityRequires Level 20The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- 21InitiativeInitiativeSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 3
Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
- 22VanishVanish
- 24PremeditationPremeditationSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 1
Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
Meteor ShardMeteor ShardItem Level 29Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandDagger23 - 43 DamageSpeed 1.80(18.3 damage per second)Requires Level 24Chance on hit: Blasts a target for 42 Fire damage.Meteor ShardThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Meteor ShardItem Level 29Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandDagger23 - 43 DamageSpeed 1.80(18.3 damage per second)Requires Level 24Chance on hit: Blasts a target for 42 Fire damage.Meteor ShardThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Meteor ShardItem Level 29Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandDagger23 - 43 DamageSpeed 1.80(18.3 damage per second)Requires Level 24Chance on hit: Blasts a target for 42 Fire damage.Dungeon: Excavation Site: WetlandsThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- 25Tier 4 opensSerrated BladesSerrated BladesSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 3
Causes your attacks to ignore 3% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%.
Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.
- 28ElusivenessElusivenessSubtlety · tier 4 · max rank 2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 45 sec.
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 90 sec.
Death Speaker ScepterDeath Speaker ScepterItem Level 33Binds when picked upMain HandMace42 - 78 DamageSpeed 2.80(21.4 damage per second)+1 SpiritRequires Level 28Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 11.Equip: Increases damage done by Shadow spells and effects by up to 7.Death Speaker ScepterThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Death Speaker ScepterItem Level 33Binds when picked upMain HandMace42 - 78 DamageSpeed 2.80(21.4 damage per second)+1 SpiritRequires Level 28Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 11.Equip: Increases damage done by Shadow spells and effects by up to 7.Death Speaker ScepterThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Death Speaker ScepterItem Level 33Binds when picked upMain HandMace42 - 78 DamageSpeed 2.80(21.4 damage per second)+1 SpiritRequires Level 28Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 11.Equip: Increases damage done by Shadow spells and effects by up to 7.Dungeon: City of DalaranThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
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Levels 30–39
- 30Tier 5 opensHemorrhageHemorrhageSubtlety · tier 5 · max rank 1
An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture and Garrote damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.
- 31Pronged ReaverPronged ReaverItem Level 36Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandAxe40 - 75 DamageSpeed 2.40(24.0 damage per second)+6 Strength+5 SpiritRequires Level 31Pronged Reaver
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Pronged ReaverItem Level 36Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandAxe40 - 75 DamageSpeed 2.40(24.0 damage per second)+6 Strength+5 SpiritRequires Level 31Pronged ReaverThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Pronged ReaverItem Level 36Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandAxe40 - 75 DamageSpeed 2.40(24.0 damage per second)+6 Strength+5 SpiritRequires Level 31The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- 35Tier 6 opensBludgeon of Betrayed VirtuesBludgeon of Betrayed VirtuesBludgeon of Betrayed VirtuesItem Level 42Binds when picked upOne-HandMace44 - 82 DamageSpeed 2.20(28.6 damage per second)+3 Strength+2 Agility+6 StaminaRequires Level 35Bludgeon of Betrayed VirtuesBludgeon of Betrayed VirtuesItem Level 42Binds when picked upOne-HandMace44 - 82 DamageSpeed 2.20(28.6 damage per second)+3 Strength+2 Agility+6 StaminaRequires Level 35Dungeon: The Drowned CityBludgeon of Betrayed VirtuesItem Level 42Binds when picked upOne-HandMace44 - 82 DamageSpeed 2.20(28.6 damage per second)+3 Strength+2 Agility+6 StaminaRequires Level 35
- 37Sword of SerenitySword of SerenityItem Level 44Binds when picked upOne-HandSword46 - 86 DamageSpeed 2.20(30.0 damage per second)+9 Stamina+4 SpiritSword of Serenity
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
The client gives no required level: this is the level its quest can be taken at.
Sword of SerenityItem Level 44Binds when picked upOne-HandSword46 - 86 DamageSpeed 2.20(30.0 damage per second)+9 Stamina+4 SpiritThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
The client gives no required level: this is the level its quest can be taken at.
- 39Vanquisher's SwordVanquisher's SwordItem Level 44Binds when picked upOne-HandSword46 - 86 DamageSpeed 2.20(30.0 damage per second)Equip: +28 Attack Power.
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
The client gives no required level: this is the level its quest can be taken at.
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Levels 40–49
- 4031-point talentDeath MarkDeath MarkSubtlety · tier 7 · max rank 1★ New in Forever
Finishing move that marks the target, storing a portion of the damage dealt by your attacks per Combo Point. Garrote and Rupture damage is stored at twice the rate. After 6 sec, the stored damage is dealt, up to a maximum increased by Attack Power and Critical Strike chance: 1 point: 12% stored, 165 damage cap; 2 points: 24% stored, 267 damage cap; 3 points: 36% stored, 369 damage cap; 4 points: 48% stored, 471 damage cap; 5 points: 60% stored, 573 damage cap. level 60 reference
Dual SpecializationDungeon: Krol’dok Stronghold - 48Fist of StoneFist of StoneItem Level 53Binds when picked upMain HandMace44 - 83 DamageSpeed 1.80(35.3 damage per second)Requires Level 48Equip: Chance on hit to restore 32 mana. Restores 3 times as much if attacking an Earth Elemental, Golem, or Titan-forged enemy.Fist of Stone
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Fist of StoneItem Level 53Binds when picked upMain HandMace44 - 83 DamageSpeed 1.80(35.3 damage per second)Requires Level 48Equip: Chance on hit to restore 32 mana. Restores 3 times as much if attacking an Earth Elemental, Golem, or Titan-forged enemy.Fist of StoneThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Fist of StoneItem Level 53Binds when picked upMain HandMace44 - 83 DamageSpeed 1.80(35.3 damage per second)Requires Level 48Equip: Chance on hit to restore 32 mana. Restores 3 times as much if attacking an Earth Elemental, Golem, or Titan-forged enemy.Dungeon: Alcaz PrisonThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
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Levels 50–60
- 52Dragon's CallDragon's CallItem Level 57Binds when picked upOne-HandSword72 - 135 DamageSpeed 2.50(41.4 damage per second)Requires Level 52Chance on hit: Calls forth an Emerald Dragon Whelp to protect you in battle for a short period of time.Dragon's Call
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Dragon's CallItem Level 57Binds when picked upOne-HandSword72 - 135 DamageSpeed 2.50(41.4 damage per second)Requires Level 52Chance on hit: Calls forth an Emerald Dragon Whelp to protect you in battle for a short period of time.Dragon's CallThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Dragon's CallItem Level 57Binds when picked upOne-HandSword72 - 135 DamageSpeed 2.50(41.4 damage per second)Requires Level 52Chance on hit: Calls forth an Emerald Dragon Whelp to protect you in battle for a short period of time.The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
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- 56IronfoeIronfoeItem Level 60Binds when picked upUniqueMain HandMace73 - 136 DamageSpeed 2.40(43.5 damage per second)Requires Level 55Equip: Attacks have a chance to grant 2 extra attacks on your next swing. Attacks against Orcs are 2 times as likely to activate this effect.Ironfoe
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
IronfoeItem Level 60Binds when picked upUniqueMain HandMace73 - 136 DamageSpeed 2.40(43.5 damage per second)Requires Level 55Equip: Attacks have a chance to grant 2 extra attacks on your next swing. Attacks against Orcs are 2 times as likely to activate this effect.IronfoeThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
IronfoeItem Level 60Binds when picked upUniqueMain HandMace73 - 136 DamageSpeed 2.40(43.5 damage per second)Requires Level 55Equip: Attacks have a chance to grant 2 extra attacks on your next swing. Attacks against Orcs are 2 times as likely to activate this effect.The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
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- 60Hammer of the Twisting NetherHammer of the Twisting NetherItem Level 89Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandMace97 - 181 DamageSpeed 1.90(73.2 damage per second)+8 Stamina+11 IntellectRequires Level 60Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 238.Equip: Restores 8 mana per 5 sec.Hammer of the Twisting Nether
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Hammer of the Twisting NetherItem Level 89Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandMace97 - 181 DamageSpeed 1.90(73.2 damage per second)+8 Stamina+11 IntellectRequires Level 60Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 238.Equip: Restores 8 mana per 5 sec.Hammer of the Twisting NetherThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
Hammer of the Twisting NetherItem Level 89Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandMace97 - 181 DamageSpeed 1.90(73.2 damage per second)+8 Stamina+11 IntellectRequires Level 60Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 238.Equip: Restores 8 mana per 5 sec.The first three raidsAll 51 points spentThe game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
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Camp objects of your professions
- Alchemy
- Mana WellSkill 20
- FermenterSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Alchemy LaboratorySkill 300 · Blueprint
- Blacksmithing
- Sharpening WheelSkill 20
- AnvilSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Master ForgeSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Enchanting
- Enchanted LuteSkill 20
- Arcane SalvagerSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Arcane ForgeSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Engineering
- Reagent BotSkill 20
- Repair BotSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Anarchist's WorkbenchSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Herbalism
- Incense CandleSkill 20
- GreenhouseSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Seed HybridizerSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Leatherworking
- Camp TentSkill 20
- Tanning RackSkill 125 · Blueprint
- Sewing MachineSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Mining
- LodestoneSkill 20
- Rock GardenSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Molten FoundrySkill 300 · Blueprint
- Skinning
- Camp ChairSkill 20
- Field GuideSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Trapper's WorkbenchSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Tailoring
- Faction BannerSkill 20
- Faction BannerSkill 20
- Spinning WheelSkill 140 · Blueprint
- LoomSkill 300 · Blueprint
- Cooking
- Basic CampfireSkill 1
- Journeyman CampfireSkill 95 · Blueprint
- Expert CampfireSkill 205 · Blueprint
- Cookie's FeastSkill 145 · Blueprint
- Iron OvenSkill 300 · Blueprint
- First Aid
- First Aid KitSkill 20
- Toxin StudySkill 140 · Blueprint
- Plague Doctor's LaboratorySkill 300 · Blueprint
- Fishing
- Fish BowlSkill 20
- Fishing RackSkill 140 · Blueprint
- Fishing HutSkill 300 · Blueprint
Alchemy
Blacksmithing
Enchanting
Engineering
Herbalism
Leatherworking
Skinning
Tailoring
Cooking
First Aid
Fishing
Each profession places its own camp object once you have done the camp quest; the skill is what the client snapshot asks for. Plan a whole camp in the WoW Forever camping planner.
This page gives the talents level by level, not the quests to do; two paid addons plan leveling routes inside the game, compared in Zygor vs RestedXP for WoW Forever (the comparison contains affiliate links).
Key Subtlety Rogue abilities
Trainer abilities a Subtlety Rogue leans on, with the level they’re taught and what the client snapshot changed.
- StealthStealth
- BackstabBackstabRank 1 · level 4Cost 60 EnergyCast time instant
Backstab the target, causing 150% weapon damage plus 10 to the target. Must be behind the target. Requires a dagger in the main hand. Awards 1 combo point.
- SapSapRank 1 · level 10Cost 65 EnergyCast time instant
Incapacitates the target for up to 25 sec. Only works on Humanoids that are not in combat. Any damage taken will break the effect. Only 1 target may be sapped at a time. Does not break Stealth.
- AmbushAmbush
- VanishVanish
Subtlety Rogue weapons by level
The top Dual wield pick in each band of ten levels, from quests, dungeons, vendors and crafting.
Levels 1–10
- Enamelled BroadswordVendor Loch Modan · limited stockEnamelled BroadswordItem Level 14Binds when equippedMain HandSword12 - 23 DamageSpeed 2.40(7.3 damage per second)+1 StrengthRequires Level 9
- Enamelled Broadsword
Levels 11–20
- Butcher's CleaverButcher's CleaverItem Level 25Binds when picked upOne-HandAxe23 - 32 DamageSpeed 1.70(16.2 damage per second)+5 Strength+2 AgilityRequires Level 20Dungeon Shadowfang Keep · Razorclaw the Butcher · 10%
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- Butcher's Cleaver
Levels 21–30
- Swinetusk ShankSwinetusk ShankItem Level 35Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandDagger24 - 45 DamageSpeed 1.50(23.0 damage per second)+6 Stamina+4 SpiritRequires Level 30Dungeon Razorfen Kraul · Agathelos the Raging · 40%
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- Swinetusk Shank
Levels 31–40
- Sword of SerenitySword of SerenityItem Level 44Binds when picked upOne-HandSword46 - 86 DamageSpeed 2.20(30.0 damage per second)+9 Stamina+4 SpiritQuest In the Name of the Light · Scarlet Monastery · lv 40
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
The client gives no required level: this is the level its quest can be taken at.
- Sword of Serenity
Levels 41–50
- Blade of Eternal DarknessBlade of Eternal DarknessItem Level 54Binds when picked upUniqueMain HandDagger41 - 77 DamageSpeed 1.50(39.3 damage per second)Requires Level 49Equip: Chance on landing a damaging spell to deal 112 Shadow damage and restore 104 mana to you.Dungeon Maraudon · Princess Theradras · 0.5%
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- Blade of Eternal Darkness
Levels 51–60
- Hammer of the Twisting NetherHammer of the Twisting NetherItem Level 89Binds when picked upUniqueOne-HandMace97 - 181 DamageSpeed 1.90(73.2 damage per second)+8 Stamina+11 IntellectRequires Level 60Equip: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 238.Equip: Restores 8 mana per 5 sec.Raid Naxxramas · Kel'Thuzad · 20%
The game client has no stats for this item yet: these are the Classic Era client’s.
- Hammer of the Twisting Nether
Races for a Subtlety Rogue
No racial works with a Subtlety talent in particular, so any race that can be a Rogue is fine.
- HumanAllianceHumanAlliance
Ruthless adds 1% crit with daggers and swords alike.
- DwarfAllianceDwarfAlliance
Stoneform; Artisan’s Precision adds 1% hit.
- Night ElfAllianceNight ElfAlliance
Shadowmeld; Elune's Light.
- GnomeAllianceGnomeAlliance
Expansive Mind adds 5% maximum Energy.
- OrcHordeOrcHorde
Blood Fury for burst; Hardiness shortens stuns.
- UndeadHordeUndeadHorde
Will of the Forsaken.
- TrollHordeTrollHorde
Berserking; Rapid Regeneration.
- SkyborneAlliance · HordeSkyborneAlliance · Horde
Wind Blessed Haste; Walk on Air. Windshaper Rogues train with Shenthul in Orgrimmar since the October 1 beta build.
Subtlety in Forever vs Classic
18 talents in Forever, 17 in Classic.
New 3
- Quick GetawayQuick GetawaySubtlety · tier 4 · max rank 2★ New in Forever
Increases the maximum number of targets you may have Sapped by 1, and increases your movement speed by 15% for 3 sec after Sapping a target.
Increases the maximum number of targets you may have Sapped by 1, and increases your movement speed by 30% for 3 sec after Sapping a target.
- Boot KnifeBoot KnifeSubtlety · tier 6 · max rank 5★ New in Forever
Grants your Shank ability a 20% chance to add 2 Combo Points to the target.
Grants your Shank ability a 100% chance to add 2 Combo Points to the target.
- Death MarkDeath MarkSubtlety · tier 7 · max rank 1★ New in Forever
Finishing move that marks the target, storing a portion of the damage dealt by your attacks per Combo Point. Garrote and Rupture damage is stored at twice the rate. After 6 sec, the stored damage is dealt, up to a maximum increased by Attack Power and Critical Strike chance: 1 point: 12% stored, 165 damage cap; 2 points: 24% stored, 267 damage cap; 3 points: 36% stored, 369 damage cap; 4 points: 48% stored, 471 damage cap; 5 points: 60% stored, 573 damage cap. level 60 reference
Renamed or reworked 1
- Dirty TricksDirty TricksSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 2Reworked from Improved Sap
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.
Reworked from Improved Sap
Changed 10
- SetupSetupSubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 3
Gives you a 15% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
Gives you a 45% chance to add a Combo Point to your target after Dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells.
Moved from tier 4 - Master of DeceptionMaster of DeceptionSubtlety · tier 1 · max rank 3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 1 level higher.
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode as if you were 3 levels higher.
Max rank 5 → 3 - Dirty DeedsDirty DeedsSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 10, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
Moved from tier 5 - CamouflageCamouflageSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 3
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 5% and reduces its cooldown by 2 sec.
Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 6 sec.
New spot, same tier; Max rank 5 → 3 - Improved AmbushImproved AmbushSubtlety · tier 2 · max rank 3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 15%.
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 45%.
Moved from tier 3 - PremeditationPremeditationSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 1
Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
Moved from tier 7 - Serrated BladesSerrated BladesSubtlety · tier 3 · max rank 3
Causes your attacks to ignore 3% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10%.
Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.
Moved from tier 4 - ElusivenessElusivenessSubtlety · tier 4 · max rank 2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 45 sec.
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 90 sec.
Moved from tier 2 - Ghostly StrikeGhostly StrikeSubtlety · tier 4 · max rank 1
A strike that deals 125% (180% if a Dagger is equipped in your Main Hand) weapon damage, increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec, and causes your next Ambush or Garrote cast within 7 sec to not require Stealth. Awards 1 combo point.
Moved from tier 3 - HemorrhageHemorrhageSubtlety · tier 5 · max rank 1
An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture and Garrote damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.
New spot, same tier
Removed 2
- Sleight of HandSleight of HandClassic tier 2 · max rank 2
Not a talent in the Forever client snapshot.
Classic tier 2 · max rank 2 - DeadlinessDeadlinessClassic tier 6 · max rank 5
Not a talent in the Forever client snapshot.
Classic tier 6 · max rank 5
Kept another way 1
- Improved SapImproved SapClassic tier 4 · max rank 3
Now Dirty Tricks
Now Dirty Tricks
Still unconfirmed
- Talents and class abilities use the current calculator data. Weapons and other supporting datasets retain the source builds shown below.
- The community examples below are historical level-30 beta builds, not complete level-60 or live leveling guides.